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      • At the end of the film, it's revealed that the entire farm sequence was actually Jigsaw's very first game, when he had just decided to seek retribution for his cancer diagnosis and try to make others appreciate life.
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  2. Jul 3, 2024 · Those fluent in Saw mythos know that John Kramer died at the end of Saw 3, at the hands of Jeff Denlon, the player of Jigsaw’s game in the third installment. Moments before, his apprentice, Amanda, was shot and killed—taking a chunk out of the killer’s legacy.

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  3. Nov 11, 2023 · The story of how John Kramer became Jigsaw is a tragic one, driven by heartbreak and personal loss. John's motivation as Jigsaw stems from his belief that people waste their lives while he is unfairly losing his own.

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  4. Oct 29, 2017 · Originating a cruel trick that he would later revisit in the first Saw ’s iconic bathroom trap, John hid the keys to the contestants’ ankle chains within the final stage of the farmhouse games....

  5. Oct 5, 2023 · John Kramer is alive in Saw X because the events of the tenth entry take place before the protagonist’s death in Saw III. Prior to the movie’s release, production company Lionsgate confirmed...

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    Throughout Jigsaw, a game is being played, forcing the characters and audience to ask whether John Kramer is still alive and executing this latest trap, or if a new apprentice is at work. Detective Halloran, one of the film's leads, thinks that the prime suspects are Eleanor and Logan, two medical examiners who we discover are nice and cozy, with t...

    Throughout the course of Jigsaw, the evidence for John Kramer's supposed return from the grave mounts with each turn of the screw. Fresh DNA samples are found on victims, the audio tape taunting the police is 100% authenticated as containing Kramer's voice and even his body is nowhere to be found as an exhumation reveals Edgar Munsen, one of Hallor...

    Previously we mentioned that Logan's carelessness caused him to misdiagnose John Kramer's cancer, thus allowing him to go for longer than he should have without proper treatment. This lead Kramer down the path to becoming Jigsaw we all know from the previous seven films, with Logan eventually being one of the contestants in his very first game, whi...

    While Jigsaw had a less than stellar first weekend at the box office, its total haul will more than likely eclipse its modest budget. Which means that we could see some sequels to this resurrection of John Kramer's legacy in the coming future. However, this could become problematic, as each sequel seems to rewrite that legacy to add more apprentice...

  6. Jul 3, 2024 · In actuality, the real Jigsaw Killer has been dead for the entirety of the film’s central timeline. Logan Nelson— his undetected successor— emulates Kramer’s game with Anna and the others and drops bodies across the town that mirror the same deaths.

  7. Jul 3, 2024 · Anna recognizes him as they turn out to have been neighbors, with John acknowledging that she and her husband helped him a lot while he went through his cancer treatments. Anna and Ryan don't seem surprised to see John Kramer alive, and that's where the first big twist in Jigsaw lies.

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