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Oct 9, 2019 · In Joker, Thomas Wayne (Batman's father) and Penny Fleck (Joker's mother) are key characters. Penny claims that Thomas is actually Arthur's father.
- Brett Cullen talks full SPOILERS about one of the film's mysteries.
- Best Joker Comics to Read After Watching the Movie
By Jim Vejvoda
Updated: Oct 6, 2019 6:08 pm
Posted: Oct 5, 2019 6:45 pm
Major SPOILERS ahead for Joker!
One of the mysteries in director Todd Phillips' Joker is whether Arthur Fleck really is the son of Thomas Wayne as his mother Penny Fleck claimed. Both Wayne himself and Alfred Pennyworth said it was untrue and that Penny was delusional, hence her eventual stay in Arkham Asylum. But to Brett Cullen, the actor who plays Wayne, "in my mind, Thomas Wayne put her there."
Penny Fleck worked for the Waynes thirty years before the events of the film, with Arthur learning that he was adopted by her while she worked for them. Penny had previously admitted to Arthur that she and Thomas had an affair, that Arthur is Thomas' son, and that's why she's been incessantly writing to him so that he could help them out financially. Penny also said she was made to sign some papers requiring her silence on the matter.
Cullen added that "this movie makes you feel for Arthur, when you see him struggling with his mother. And she’s saying, 'Go see Thomas Wayne, he’ll help us. He’s a good man.' It’s gut-wrenching."
It's interesting to note that child actor Dante Pereira-Olson, who plays Bruce Wayne in Joker, played the young version of Joaquin Phoenix's character in You Were Never Really Here. Did Todd Phillips know that and intentionally cast him as Bruce due to their resemblance? Maybe one day we'll get that answer but that would certainly lend added credence to the notion that Arthur and Bruce are half-brothers.
Oct 4, 2019 · The flipside of the Bruce Wayne obsession is the lingering question of whether the Joker is Thomas Wayne's son. It's certainly built up to as a seismic twist; his mother is a scorned lover forced to live in poverty, but digging deeper seems to disprove that.
- Alex Leadbeater
- Content Director
Oct 11, 2019 · Allowing that it is possible that Wayne would have kept tabs on Penny and might know that she had adopted a son, it seems unlikely that he would specifically state this rather than simply saying that he wasn't Arthur's father, unless he had a reason for the more firmly worded denial.
Oct 4, 2024 · Arthur is also tied to Batman because his sickly mother, a former employee of Thomas Wayne’s, insists that fatherless Arthur’s real dad is the billionaire captain of industry, so he goes to ...
- Rebecca Alter
- Staff Writer
Oct 7, 2019 · Even if we believe the affair did happen, it doesn't mean necessarily that Arthur is Thomas Wayne's son, though the odds of that certainly do go up.
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Oct 5, 2019 · 'Joker' actor Brett Cullon shares his thoughts on the Thomas Wayne twist and reveals the scene that was rewritten to be more comedic.
