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Mar 18, 2019 · There are two reasons a Protestant may give in arguing that we’re still not permitted to pray to the saints even if Revelation 5:8 is taken to reveal that the elders intercede for us. One is that there is no evidence that the Christians on earth request the intercession of the elders in heaven.
- Defending the Prayers of the Saints
Since the Bible reveals that the saints in heaven offer our...
- Defending the Prayers of the Saints
Jul 22, 2024 · The prayers of the saints in Revelation 5:8, especially as represented by incense in the context of temple imagery, should be understood to take the role of incense in the temple, which was to offer up a sweet aroma to God and to symbolize prayer. The prayers of the righteous are pleasing to Him.
- Challenge No. 1
- Challenge No. 1: First Response
- Challenge No. 1: Second Response
- Challenge No. 1: A Third Way
- Challenge No. 2
- Challenge No. 2: First Response
- Challenge No. 2: Second Response
- Sidebar: Peter and Paul Make The Case
How can the saints pray for us when Ecclesiastes says they have no knowledge in the afterlife? Protestant Christians appeal to Ecclesiastes 9:5, which says, “For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing.” Just a few verses later, the author asserts again, “There is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which yo...
The first way we can we meet this challenge is to explain that the author is not intending to make an assertion about the nature of the afterlife, he is merely trying to make sense of death from an earthly perspective. In the beginning verses of the chapter, the author makes it clear that death is his main topic: The author is making the point that...
A second way to meet the challenge is to point out that the souls in heaven possess the beatific vision. This gives us good reason to think that they would be conscious of requests made of them. Consider, for example, what St. John tells us: “Beloved, we are God’s children now; it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he appea...
Another way we can meet this challenge is to show the clear evidence in both the Old and New Testaments that there is consciousness in the afterlife. Let’s start with the Old Testament, in particular its prohibition against consulting a necromancer: “There shall not be found among you . . . a necromancer” (Deut. 18:11). A necromancer is someone who...
How can the saints in heaven be aware of our interior thoughts when 2 Chronicles 6:30 states that God alone knows the hearts of men? 2 Chronicles 6:30 reads: “Then hear thou from heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and render to each whose heart thou knowest, according to all his ways (for thou, thou only, knowest the hearts of the children of ...
First, there is no reason God can’t reveal his knowledge of our interior thoughts to others. St. Thomas Aquinastakes this approach in his response to the above challenge: Aquinas articulates the difference between how God knows the thoughts of men and how the saints in heaven know the thoughts of men. God alone knows “of himself,” whereas the saint...
Second, there is evidence in Scripture that God does reveal his knowledge of the interior thoughts of men to others. Consider, for example, the Old Testament story in Daniel2 involving Joseph and his interpretation of King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. Nebuchadnezzar had a troubling dream and asked his sorcerers and wise men to interpret it. But the king...
Other examples of consciousness in the afterlife can be taken from Peter and Paul’s epistles. Consider, for example, 1 Peter 3:19, where Peter informs us that after death Jesus “went and preached to the spirits in prison.” Such preaching would be futile if these spirits couldn’t know what Jesus was preaching to them. 2 Corinthians 5:8 is a good exa...
Catholic prayer to Mary and the saints is not unbiblical - that's a Protestant accusation. Jews of Jesus's time prayed to martyrs and Revelation says that the saints are intermediaries who carry prayers to heavens in sacred vessels.
Feb 4, 2019 · Since the Bible reveals that the saints in heaven offer our prayers to God, it’s reasonable for us to pray to them—that is, to make our requests known to them and ask them to pray to God for us. But most Protestants don’t accept this interpretation, and they offer a few counters.
prayers of saints—as the angel offers their prayers (Re 8:3) with incense (compare Ps 141:2). This gives not the least sanction to Rome's dogma of our praying to saints.
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Apr 3, 2020 · Revelation 5:8-10: Why is He Worthy? In the previous post on Revelation 5:1-7 , we saw an angel raise a question: Is anyone worthy to take the scroll from the right hand of God? At first it seemed that there was no one who could step forward, but then Jesus appears.
